gogeta ultra instinct vs beerus

More like he is scared to death of them and is incapable of doing anything to them or at least that’s the case as far as Whis and his dad and Zeno are concerned. Gogeta is on a whole over level though. Manga Beerus knows Ultra Instinct (Omen), and judging how full powered Broly couldn't even touch a casual Whis, I'm giving it to Beerus, assuming he can also use UI. Report rule breaking and leave rule enforcement to the mods. Fusion is generally> the strongest non fused character. [–]armchair_science 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). For a guide on flairing and how to filter out flairs you don't like, click here. He is currently the strongest fusion out there as … Apologies go a long way if you mess up. We have seen the Hakai technique being overpowered in the show itself. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. And there you go. You can be banned for a first offense. Beerus should be much stronger than both sidra and toppo. So he does have an actual scale, thinking about it. @takenstew22: Considering Vegeta alone is stronger than Toppo. Can a guy with a gun kill a bender from avatar? Then Goku is pretty much dead. The only way to prove it is by comparing the power up diffrences. We have MUI Goku>Jiren>Belmod>Beerus 100%>>>>>The amount of Beerus's power Goku saw = or < Broly, who immediately pushed Gogeta to Blue once he went LJSS, so MUI Goku >>>>> SSB Gogeta. Beerus is unquantifiable, but it would be a safe bet to assume he's below Jiren. UI boost is also huge but not as big as from ssj to ssb. 0. [–]armchair_science 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (9 children). If Goku and Jiren manage to win before that team 2 takes it. If you see a large number of posts about a character, try someone else. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. They were seriously injuring each other and would've destroyed both U6 and U7 as collateral if the Angels hadn't stepped in. [–]TheShrubberyDemander 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (14 children). Jiren sacrificed and sacrificed every year, more and more of himself. Copy-pasta, Circlejerk or Meme derivative posts. This now includes "You vs" posts as of 29/10/2018; details on why are included in this modpost. If we go by anime canon, Gogeta is probably far stronger than Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken and Evolved Super Saiyan Blue since Goku and Vegeta resorted to fusion to fight Broly instead of using any of these forms, alongside with those statements. All posts must be flaired. And it pissed me off that they didn't have their unique stuff. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. To submit a battle, click the Goku vs Superman (or Doom vs Vader) button above. As for Broly, I feel he'd be "At least Low 2-C, possibly 2-C" rather than definitively 2-C, since he was stomped by Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta, who is debatably in the same tier as Ultra Instinct Goku, and is probably stronger than Beerus. Gogeta wasn't even using his full power against broly and Goku even says he might be stronger than beerus. There's also Dragon Ball Heroes but that's non-canon. Include detail when posting. Since LSSJ Broly is on Beerus' level, then yeah, SSJB Gogeta would have a win here. Yes because arm wrestles are a lot different than an actual fight and when Beerus refuted it was actually a lot calmer than how he’d react if it wasn’t true. Remember, the mods are humans, and we realize you're human, too. Could Santa convince Thanos to not rid of half of the population? Oh hell yes. See this post for details. I can see Gogeta defeating the other team, especially with the help of Beerus. If asked, you must provide evidence for your claims or drop the argument. ssj gogeta was already >> ssb goku and vegeta. Posts must be some form of battle, competition, or challenge or they are considered off-topic/META and should go in our weekly off-topic discussion posts. ryans There's also those that claim Goku doesn't know Beerus' full power, although from a manga standpoint that's false as Beerus had no reason to hold back in the God of Destruction battle royale, which Goku witnessed. I am pretty sure Universal busting is still impressive on the ToP, if we are going the manga, the feat is only multi galactic level because it was a combined feat by Goku and Beerus that would be a threat to the universe's existence eventually and the timeframe was also never specified. Well, the movie hinted at him having to use 80% to fight Goku, and 100% to stop a universe busting attack. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. If you do not properly flair your post, or reply incorrectly to a post because you didn't know the difference between 'Battle' and 'Scan-Battle', you agree to forfeit to us your soul in perpetuity or another soul of equal or greater value. And Just because SSJ Broly couldn’t touch Whis doesn’t mean that Beerus is unteachable. Use your best judgment. "Ultra Instinct Goku is … Beerus doesn't have MUI and that puts MUI Goku in a higher tier of power than him. Joke posts, or posts that are primarily humurous in nature, are not allowed. Though Gogeta probably has more raw power. Beerus is undoubtedly weaker than Jiren and Goku and Gogeta is hard to gauge where he would place. Be nice and we'll respond in kind. A full powered MUI Goku might be an annoyance but Beerus just needs to outlast him. The feat you are talking is a space-time warping feat from what I can see, it is pretty impressive but Majin Buu did a similar thing way back in the Buu Arc (althought that dimension was already connected to Earth), but this time is much more casual too. As for MUI Goku and SSB Gogeta I think MUI Goku can take it because of his speed and reaction time which is pretty much the best we've seen in Dragon Ball yet. There’s no actual evidence that Belmod is stronger than Beerus aside from Whis joking to which Beerus replied it was only an arm wrestle, there’s also no timescale for that and could have been when Beerus was a younger GoD and not as strong. Beerus using UI is not canon, the fight of the Gods of Destruction battle royale was not canon, in the anime they never stated whether Beerus can use Ultra Instinct … re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote GohanAntifan93 Gogeta Blue > Super Saiyan Full Power Broly > Super Saiyan Gogeta >Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku > Jiren > Ultra Instinct Goku Your post will get automatically removed if it is not flaired. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. Ohh and Beerus ain’t no weak link here erase that idea especially while bloodlust with no Hakai restriction. Beerus and Champa showed that just by fighting the universe was going to be destroyed. Meta posts, multi-part tournaments, and other non-conventional posts require mod approval. Jiren fp >=< goku ultra instinct >= beerus > jiren supressed >> kaioken 20x goku >>> ssb goku The gaps are way bigger + a weaker fusion so i dont think so. Goku has stated in the movie that Broly maybe even more powerful than Beerus which should place Broly at the realm of the gods destruction and Gogeta absolutely stomped him with a smile on his face. Anime-wise, he could have been surpassed (well, he has by Jiren and UI Goku but I meant by Goku Blue Kaio-ken x20/Vegeta Blue Evolution) or he could simply be 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times stronger than he is right now, we simply just don't know. Give ssj gogeta who already is ssb goku and vegeta the boost all the way up to ssb and he stomps. This is not headcanon, we have statements that matter here. Only the Manga. Again, please see the suggested template above for more details. In reality Beerus’ actual power is something they’ve kept ambiguous so that when they do use him they can say that he was always that strong at full power so there’s no asspull, it also seems very unlikely that if Beerus was ever surpassed by Goku that they’d make such a little deal like they did (yes UI was impressive and all that but no statements were made confirming strength and Beerus was most likely just impressed Goku achieved such a form). re: Ultra Instinct Goku vs Gogeta Blue quote Vegetto Blue The Saikyo Jump editorial office tells readers: "Frankly, the enemy Goku … Well, at least in the anime but if the power of the two people fighting is comparable, it will still work, as shown when Goku used it on Zamasu (Goku's hakai is inferior to Beerus's one too). The penalty for breaking the rules of this sub, contributing to spam, trolling, or purposefully making things more difficult for the mods may include being banned. Not saying I agree but people like to bring up the point that Kefla could have killed UI Goku, and while yes this is a fully developed ultra instinct that is leaps and bounds over his previous version, a fusion between Goku and Vegeta would also be leaps and bounds above Kefla especially post ToP fusion between the two. I think team 2 can take it mainly because of Jiren. Regardless, Jiren has far better showings imo. Be nice. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 4451 on r2-app-056d814da82db5a71 at 2020-12-24 01:58:11.803593+00:00 running 6abf2be country code: FR. (Christmas). "Gogeta!" Unsure of a good way to make your fight more interesting than just "X Character vs. Y Character"? Team 2 stomps, Gogeta needs a better teammate. In the anime, the emphasis for Jiren's strength was that he was so powerful that a God of Destruction who was stronger than Beerus could not defeat him. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (1 child). Characters weaker than Jiren and UI Goku like Golden Frieza and SSJBE Vegeta have resisted Hakai. Well, Kefla was struggling with regular UI Goku. We saw the diffrence between normal ssj and ssjg in the manga and anime. Seal Team Six is tasked with infiltrating Kevin McAllister's compound and killing him. Yeah but the manga at least seems more consistent to debate in many aspects (like the shockwave feat, which is much more clear im the manga than in the anime in my opinion), but debating the anime is fine too. Jiren in his base form is already GoD tier and his final form well exceeds any GoD. Hakai has shown to be close range, far range and as energy releases. MUI Goku is beyond Gogeta. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. You can't call it headcanon, even if you want to question how strong Whis's conviction was there. Comments that are a few words and contribute no actual discussion ('lol' or '___ stomps'). He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. Even with a power boost it wouldn’t automatically make him stronger or on the same level as the other GoDs because the power gaps would vary, e.g Goku getting SSJ1 was impressive because he surpassed Frieza but that same SSJ1 wouldn’t have compared to the androids or Perfect Cell. and how Goku said full power Broly is “maybe” stronger than Beerus. Furthermore, If Beerus was truly capable of destroying anything his reaction to Zeno wouldn’t be like this. I think it’s pretty clear SSB Gogeta is the strongest here, and fusion lasts longer than UI, so I have a hard time seeing Gogeta and Beerus lose. we have never seen beerus at full power but according to the manga him and quitela are strongest of the 12, ultra instinct mastered was implied to have surpassed beerus in a shonen jump magazine but that was never fully executed in the actual episode. remember the diffrence between ssj 3 goku and ssjg goku? Beerus isn't 2-C because he cannot destroy 2 universes alone. Hakai has shown to be negated by being stronger, this was shown by Frieza, Goku and Vegeta. it was referring mui with the text being " Gokus hair and aura starts to glow SILVER. Jiren, in the anime, is confirmed stronger than Beerus. Super Saiyan Blue Gogeta vs Ultra Instinct Goku. However, he saw Jiren's full power, and a huge power up on top of that. @alextheboss: I don't agree with Broly being stronger than LB Jiren, but yeah he's atleast in the same tier. UI Beerus + Hakai form is a force to be reckoned with, that I think alot of people on this sub unknowingly downplay. Even in the Broly Movie, Beerus was on Earth, just chillin'. Team 1. [–]SSG_Goten 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Goku only became on the same level as Beerus once he got UI. Not to mention, that Beerus would need to go through Whis, Zeno's guards, then the Grand Priest before he'd even have a chance to face off against Zeno. Not only his he skilled, he has abilities that can destroy both of them with ease. And has Beerus never used his full power in the anime? and join one of thousands of communities. re: Ultra Instinct Gogeta vs Whis Whis sleeps on the likes of Broly and Beerus so if he puts any effort into the UI Gogeta fight at all it would be low-diff. it means the jump from ssj to ssb is bigger than ssb to jiren or UI. Beerus’ only two feats with the move have been against two characters who are fodder compared to him. Meruem (Hunter X Hunter) Vs Chainsaw Man (Chainsaw Man). No one expects you to be a genius when it comes to every aspect of every character. Goku said Broly is probably stronger than Beerus during their final meeting. nonetheless every else is fine. Honestly, there's no reason not to believe him entirely, he was talking seriously about the matter. Sure hes stronger than HIS GoD but that doesn't mean Belmod is stronger than Beerus. He can dodge all of Gogeta's attacks, and he can one shot him with Hakai. Vegeta overcame toppo who wouldn't be on the same level as belmod to produce a hakai to counter full power vegeta attack but he could have easily erased him multiple times as shown from their match. It makes no difference when going up against Jiren now. Failure to treat your fellow users with respect can lead to a warning or ban. After all Beerus needs to be more powerful Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to resist his hakai. Admit when you don't know. C. Ultra instinct doesn’t make you untouchable even the completed version as evidenced by MUI Goku vs LB Jiren. [–]KingPWNinater 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children), "There isn't anything that Lord Beerus can't destroy", [–]Goku4869 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (2 children). Threads asking how X character would do with a Y-Colored Lantern Ring are not allowed. UI only lasted for a few minutes and Gogeta already played around with a Jiren level fighter. Also proof that Beerus has a big enough power advantage over SSB Gogeta for Gogeta to be unable to overcome his imperfect ultra instinct through sheer power like Jiren did against MUI Goku. When was it said Beerus is stronger than Toppo? @sup3rn0va: the clash only happened because goku could control his ki hitting beerus, not raw power. That also happened in the anime, his power and Goku's nearly destroyed the universe, so he had to erase it. It was confirmed that Ultra Instinct Goku is stronger than the Gods of Destruction including Beerus. @thekappa78: eh, it was not supposed to mean gogeta ssj > Jiren or UI lol. At the height of the power weve seen them have on screen (so that's Gogeta Blue when he fought Broly) (edited by administrators) Gogeta Autonomous Ultra Instinct (ability) Autonomous Ultra Instinct Dragon Ball Super: Broly. B. Whis has a complete mastery over his ultra instinct. Lol at him soloing. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters … Even the fully mastered state of the gods, Ultra Instinct, falls short to the jewel of universe eleven. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. For more information click here. Not an easy match up for Gogeta. The only thing ultra instinct has over beerus is speed and the auto dodge hax, even then jiren was able to bypass that for a moment due to his strength being absolute and all that shit. Whis also says this to Vegeta when he fights Beerus in the manga and loses the fight. He was even ready to erase Goku at one point, without the need to even power up. Mastered UI Goku overpowered Jiren, it would completely destroy Kefla if they fought again. And we've seen him do it with extreme ease. Instead of the GoD battle royale, the anime had an exhibition match between the two weakest universes, U7 and U9 (the one with the dog trio). Assuming unlimited fusion time, I'm going team 1. The anime is quite weird as the shockwaves had bizarre properties were growing stronger and stronger and Old Kai said that everyone, including Beerus and Goku would perish, Beerus also said he needed 100% of his power to stop the shockwaves (he could be lying but keep in mind the bizarre properties of the shockwave). [–]Georgepaul4k 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). this feet itself is already impressive enough for gogeta soloing this due to him being suppressed is already well above beerus and jiren so him going all out makes it a stomp. Counter to Hakai Kefla if they fought again their final meeting Y character '' character do. Say that 's pretty evident at this point that Broly is on '. A long way if you 're human, too already GoD tier and his final well! Click here [ – ] KingPWNinater 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago ( 9 children ) overcome... 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